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A history of the previous seagoing ships to bear the name HMS Ganges and the Royal Naval Training Establishment at Shotley, Suffolk, England. Researched and compiled by Tony Grimmer and Bob Harwood, who sadly have both crossed the bar and to whom these pages are dedicated.

The First HMS Ganges was a 3rd Rate line-of-battle ship of 1,655 tons, with 74 guns and a ships company of 590 men. She was the ex Bengal, one of three ships presented by the East India Company in 1779 to the Royal Navy. Built on the River Thames (by Messrs. Randall and Coot of Blackwall) she was begun in April 1780 and launched on 30th March 1782.
The following is a brief account of her during the period 1782 - 1816.
1782     Action off Cape Spartel and Fina. Relief of Gibraltar by Lord Howe - Captain Charles Fielding
1793With the Channel Fleet under Lord Howe - Captain A J P Molley
1794In company with HMS Montagu in West Indies, captured French 24 gun corvette Jacobin. Captain W Truscott
1796With Rear Admiral Christian at capture of St Lucia, St Vincent and Grenada - Captain R M Douall
1801Copenhagen - Captain T F Freemantle
1806With Sir T Louis squadron at capture of French ship Presidente. Captain P Halkett
1807Bombardment of Copenhagen - Commodore R G Kets, Captain P Halkett
1808Blockade of Tagus, Portugal - Captain P Halkett
1809Walcheren Expedition, Antwerp - Captain P Halkett
1811Converted to Prison Ship
1814Loaned to the Board of Transport
1816Broken up at Plymouth



HMS Ganges circa late 1800s

HMS Ganges circa late 1800s

Photograph kindly donated by Bats Hanley <Batstiger@aol.com>

The second HMS Ganges was a 2nd rate line-of-battle ship of 2,284 tons, rated at 84 guns but pierced for 92, with a ships company of 800. Built of teak at the Bombay Dockyard under master shipbuilder Jamsetjee Bomanjee Wadia. Admiralty orders of 5th June 1816 directed her to be built as a facsimile of HMS Canopus which was the ex French ship 'Franklin' which fought at the Battle of the Nile, 1st August 1798. Building began in May 1819 and she was launched on the 10th November 1821. Length 196 ft, breadth 52 ft.
Armament:
Gun Deck: 28 x32 pounders, 2 x 68 pounders Carronades.
Upper Deck: 32 x 24 pounders.
Quarter Deck: 6 x 24 pounder Congreves, 10 x32 pounder Carronades.

1822     Arrived Portsmouth for fitting out.
1823Commissioned at Portsmouth by Captain (afterwards Vice Admiral) Sir Edward Brace. Proceeded to the Jamaica Station, returning to England one and a half years later.
The daily allowance of neat rum was reduced from a half to a quarter of a pint. This reform was brought about by Capt. Sir John Phillimore with the consent of the crew of the "Thetis" which he commanded. The Admiralty wrote that if the Thesis's ship's company would try it first, they would allow it. This inovation made the ships company of the Thetis unpopular, and even led to fighting, but the crew of the Ganges returning to England, announced that they would not allow the men of the Thetis to be maltreated, as they had found the change most beneficial; it enabled them, they said, to have meat ever day, cocoa, and tea, and gave them two shillings a month extra pay.
1824Home Service (Portsmouth) Captain Patrick Campbell
1826Flagship South America Station Captain (afterwards Rear Admiral) Samuel Good Inglefield, flying flag of Rear Admiral Sir Robert Waller Otway, Commander-in-Chief, South America Station.
1828A Royal Marine contingent landed at Rio de Janerio for the protection of the Emperor of Brazil, in consequence of a serious mutiny which had broken out among German and Irish troops. Emperor Don Pedro in appreciation awarded the RM Officer in charge and Captain Inglefield with the Order of the Southern Cross.
1829Paid off at Portsmouth
1829Guard ship at Portsmouth
1831Brief service in Mediterranean
1832Paid off at Portsmouth.
1832/38Portsmouth as a 'Demonstration Ship'.
1838/42Lisbon and Mediterranean stations.
1838Syrian campaign, Captain Barrington Reynolds - superintended.
1840Landing of troops at D'Journi, and bombardment of Beirut. Present at blockade of Alexandria.
1842Paid off at Sheerness.
1842/47First line ship at Sheerness
1848/52Mediterranean Station. Captain (afterwards Admiral) Sir Henry Smith.
1852Paid off at Sheerness
1857/61Flagship of Pacific Squadron (Rear Admiral Sir Robert Lambert Baynes).
1857Commissioned at Sheerness - Captain John Fulford.
1861Returned Spithead, having sailed over 60,100 miles in a three year commission. The Ganges was the last sailing ship to be a sea-going flagship. Paid off at Sheerness.
1865HMS Ganges arrived Devonport for conversion to boys training ship
1866HMS Ganges arrived Falmouth and took up duties of boys training ship
1899HMS Ganges sailed to Devonport for keel to be scraped. Boys dispatched to HMS Lion and HMS Impregnable whilst being docked. Two weeks later with boys re-embarked, she undocked and sailed for Sheerness in company with HMS Arrogant, a twin-screw 2nd Class cruiser. It was two months later that she left Sheerness under tow of the tug Alligator, arriving Harwich 11 November. HMS Ganges was now ready to take up boy's training duties. A week before HMS Ganges arrived at Harwich, HMS Caroline arrived to act as hospital ship until proper facilities were erected ashore. Work started on the small hospital for which plans had been drawn up before Ganges had left Falmouth - a disinfector house - was completed by 1900.
1901Cutlass Drill ceased.
1902Boys march through Ipswich on recruitment drive led by the ship's pet - a fine poodle. Five separate hospital blocks erected, water supply obtained by converting the two Martello towers into storage tanks. Until these quarters were complete, HMS Caroline - one of the 'Satellite' cruisers built in 1882 - acted as a hospital tender to the Ganges. By 1901 sufficient beds were ready ashore to enable HMS Caroline to discharge her patients and return to Chatham to be fitted out as an overflow training ship for the Ganges with accommodation for 60 boys. She was also to be fitted with a swimming bath to take the place of the Ganges' bathing tray, still in use at that time. There is no doubt that the permanent sick quarters ashore enabled the boys to have far better care and attention than had hitherto been possible.
1903Nursing sisters arrived to take charge of hospital.
1904Ex HMS Minotaur, ex HMS Boscawen II arrived from Portland and renamed HMS Ganges.
HMS Boscawen C Class submarines alongside HMS Ganges pre 1910 HMS Ganges off Harwich
1905     New shore establishment created and commissioned as RNTE Shotley, also consisted of HMS Ganges, HMS Caroline and HMS Boscawen III (afloat ships). Boscawen III having arrived in October from Portland
1906Admiralty orders HMS Ganges to be renamed HMS Tenedos III and to become part of the Boy Artificers Establishment at Chatham. Ex Agincourt, ex Boscawen III renamed HMS Ganges II.
1907Ex HMS Caroline renamed HMS Ganges.
1910August. HMS Tenedos III (ex HMS Ganges) towed from Chatham to Devonport to become part of HMS Indus training establishment for boys. Whilst under tow she broke adrift on 24th January off the Royal Sovereign Light, but was secured again and sustained no damage.
191013th August. Admiralty orders HMS Tenedos III (ex HMS Ganges) to be renamed HMS Indus V.
1913Ex Caroline, ex HMS Ganges renamed Powerful III and left Shotley for Devonport.
1918HMS Ganges II, (ex Minotaur, ex Boscawen II) put in hands of Ship Keepers.
1921April. Ex harbour launch No.50 renamed HMS Ganges II.
1922HMS Ganges II (ex Minotaur, ex Boscawen II) towed away by Dutch tug Zwartezee for breaking up. Harbour Launch No.50 named HMS Ganges to become the Depot Ship.
1922October. Orders for HMS Indus V (Old Ganges) to be renamed HMS Impregnable III and added to the HMS Impregnable Training Establishment for Boys at Devonport.
1923HMS Ganges (ex harbour launch No.50) replaced by ex harbour launch No.40 as Depot Ship.
1925January. HMS Ganges (ex Harbour Launch No.40) replaced by steam launch No.218.
1926General Strike. Ganges trainees helped out at different locations i.e. Coalmines, Waterworks.
1927RNTE Shotley recommissioned as HMS Ganges, Shotley; without a Depot Ship.
1929March. HMS Impregnable III (ex original HMS Ganges) Taken out of the Service at Devonport and put under Dockyard control.
1929August. Old HMS Ganges featured at Navy week.
192931st August. Old HMS Ganges sold for breaking up
1930HMS Impregnable III (ex original HMS Ganges) Broken up at Fish Stand Quay, Devonport.

HMS Ganges II (The Twicer)
Photograph believed to be of HMS Ganges II (Known by the boys as the "Twicer").
Photograph kindly donated by Matt Blair <embee114@blueyonder.co.uk>

Battle Honours

St. Lucia 24th May 1796
Copenhagen 2nd April 1801
Syria 10th September - 9th December 1840

HMS Ganges



When HMS Ganges was broken up at Devonport in 1930 several items from the ship found new uses. It is believed that the Captain's cabin from the stern of the Ganges is now part of the Burgh Island Hotel at Bigbury-on-Sea, South Devon, England.

Burgh Island Hotel Captain's Stern Cabin ?

Photographs of the Burgh Island Hotel kindly provided by Bob Love. <bob.andrea@tesco.net>

Link to Dave Axford's website

Other items from the ship have found their way to Guildford Cathedral and include a cross made from its timbers and a photograph of her under sail.
Access to David Axford's <david.axford@virgin.net> website which displays these and other HMS Ganges photographs can be accessed by clicking on the framed picture.


Bosuns Chair from HMS Ganges
This interesting article discovered in the Ettamogah theme pub outside Brisbane on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland Australia is reputed to be a bosuns chair from the Royal Navy's last seagoing sailing flagship HMS Ganges. It was discovered by David Langdown <siddlang@bigpond.com> ex boy tel, HMS Ganges 1951, 333 class, Rodney Division. The photograph was taken by Brian Samuels <sambri@bigpond.net.au> the HMS Ganges Association, Queensland Representative. A larger version can be seen by clicking on the photograph.



teak from the woden wall HMS Ganges This bench is located in the Royal Vancouver Yacht Club, B C. Canada. It is made from the teak of HMS Ganges built in Bombay. I am unable to read the inscription but I shall be going back there with a friend who is a member of the yacht club to try find out when it was brought there.
Sincerely,
Fred Austin (ex LAM (o) L/F 957849)

The authors would like to point out that researchers should be aware of the possiblity of inaccuracies in the information provided for which they cannot be held responsible.

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